In this edition of the podcast, three fascinating conversations with Leticia Ochoa Adams, Sam Rocha, and William Cash.

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Leticia Ochoa Adams joins host Chris Altieri for the first in a series of promised conversations on race and racism – and how to approach what are always difficult and even painful discussions – basically by having them together in public. Unfortunately, we had a bit of a technical issue we didn’t detect in time on this end, so we lost a good bit of our talk. Don’t worry, though: if we’re not able to save it and bring it to you later, we’ll be talking regularly, so we’ll certainly pick it up. These sorts of colloquies are not “one and done”.

The conversation with Sam Rocha picks up where it left off last week, and rounds out a discussion of the “Black Lives Matter” rallying cry, which Sam and host Chris Altieri agree is important to say. There is some daylight between the interlocutors regarding people who struggle with saying it. Are there principled reasons for reticence, among them the very insistence from those who do say the phrase, that one must say it, or else be content to wear an unpleasant label?

William Cash is first up, though. He’s the chairman of the board at the Catholic Herald, and spoke with CH:BH just after he returned from a pilgrimage to Canterbury to mark the 800^th anniversary of the translation of St Thomas Becket’s mortal remains.